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Teenage Temporary Jobs: TeenTJ help?

Hey guys, I am a 17 year old boy called Ibrahim Babiker, I started a site called teentj.co.uk.TeenTJ (Teenage Temporary Jobs) is a newly created service, to be up and running within the next few weeks, which will allow teenagers to view temporary jobs in their local area without having to step a foot outside. I was at a recent business convention, in the lakes district, where the site got much attention and I hope to have a number of businesses signed up within the few weeks commencing. Crucially the service is free to both teenagers and employees, with 30,000 jobs being seasonal in the Lakes District both demand and supply can be supplemented here! I hope to become established in the Lakes (I've gone some way in that sense), and then commence elsewhere in the UK in the future. Any tips or feedback would be most welcome
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I like your website and I like the idea and your enthusiasm. Good stuff.
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I like your website and I like the idea and your enthusiasm. Good stuff.
Thanks a lot
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Maybe try and develop your business model to include reviews of jobs. A lot of these jobs are ones that people will do every year from 17 - 21 or so then stop when they enter the full time working world. However, these jobs are either a source of fond memories or rueful ones and there are always the jobs that everyone wants, no one wants and that are gems hardly anyone knows about. If you could get in touch with the employers and recommend that they tell their past employees to review them you could get a bit of traffic through from the reviews which will help your website.

This brings in the social element to your website and it reflects the social side of these jobs as people talk about them more through out their lives than they do about their other jobs as it is a time of growing horizons etc etc etc. Might help bring an edge to your business model, eg, if people can click 'like' on a job and share it on FB.

"I did this last year and loved it, too busy with Uni this year - great job" Sheila likes Work on Strawberry Farm ...
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Maybe try and develop your business model to include reviews of jobs. A lot of these jobs are ones that people will do every year from 17 - 21 or so then stop when they enter the full time working world. However, these jobs are either a source of fond memories or rueful ones and there are always the jobs that everyone wants, no one wants and that are gems hardly anyone knows about. If you could get in touch with the employers and recommend that they tell their past employees to review them you could get a bit of traffic through from the reviews which will help your website.

This brings in the social element to your website and it reflects the social side of these jobs as people talk about them more through out their lives than they do about their other jobs as it is a time of growing horizons etc etc etc. Might help bring an edge to your business model, eg, if people can click 'like' on a job and share it on FB.

"I did this last year and loved it, too busy with Uni this year - great job" Sheila likes Work on Strawberry Farm ...

I love that concept However, I only have one job on the site at the moment. With that in mind though, I am due to get more jobs within the next few days. So I'll certainly implement that idea in the future job placements. I'll create a system to which people can do just that on the site and I'll be sure to get on the phone to them employers Thanks for the idea
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That's not a problem, I'm glad I was able to help. You'd have probably come up with a social networking idea yourself too so it is no biggy.

I just remember when I was that age I was jealous of the people who had the good jobs and they only had them because they knew about them before I did - because someone who had it the year before told them! I can see TTJ becoming a good source of knowledge about that sort of job and when that happens the employers will be crying out to be thought of as the cool ones.

By the way this is the sort of stuff you stick in the "marketing plan" section of your business plan, normally. If you've got a business plan then great, but if not, then it can really help to write one out. It doesn't need to be amazing, it's partly a personal thing too because you don't have to show anyone it is just good to get it written down.

Also, I think you've got pretty strong branding emerging on your website. A good idea is to come up with a set of "brand guidelines". They don't have to be anything fancy pancy but if you take note of the colours you use, the sizes of your logo, the variations you'll use etc etc when you come to adding new pages to your website or designing your business cards etc you can just open up the brand guidelines and work from that.

Normally I wouldn't bother mentioning it yet because your website is still in it's infancy - and that's clear in the design - you've got a strong set of branding. It is a good time to come up with some brand guidelines that you can use going forward and your website will clearly evolve over time yet if you stick with the guidelines you'll not lose that identity which is already clear. Here's an example of some b.guidelines. http://www.designerstalk.com/uploads...Guidelines.pdf I wouldn't make anything anywhere near as full on as that but that's a professional set of guidelines to give you an idea.

I like the style of circling the job in the newspaper, an image that you see less and less of. Take a look at these guys to see what happens if you forget about your brand... or never really develop it. IMO they've pretty much copied Pay Pal's design, which is totally inappropriate. http://www.jobsite.co.uk/search-post...FcEJtAodmQL1xA

Here's another example, these guys monster.co.uk <- IMO they look more like a birthday card website than a job website, eg this boring birthday card site http://www.moonpig.com/uk/default.as...FYUY4Qod20KYxQ

In fact, I have often thought about the idea of circling a job advert in the paper and wondered why none of the big job websites use it in their branding, so as soon as I saw your website I thought "At last! Someone with a brain!".

boring: http://www.totaljobs.com/
typical faceless government: http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/home...c33fbc4b&pid=1
boring, just a lot of orange, might as well be easyjet http://www.fish4.co.uk/
boring http://www.reed.co.uk/
boring http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/ (but it is a broad sheet newspaper, so meh)
student jobs - must have used webct for design inspiration, pretty bad boring http://www.jobs.ac.uk/
this is a jobsite website that they've tried to make better branding on, pretty bad... http://www.jobstoday.co.uk/
did this one maybe think about using the circle idea then forget about it or something...? http://www.jobserve.com/ (should have had brand guidelines!)

Page 2 of google, numerous sites later and I find this one, great URL so you'd think they'd be better.. http://www.jobs.co.uk/ but it does use the circling a job idea. But they've done it wrong. The classic image is a RED pen, they are blue, so it's wrong.

When you start adding facebook buttons etc it is easy to end up looking like one of the boring websites above as you lose touch of your own branding.
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That's not a problem, I'm glad I was able to help. You'd have probably come up with a social networking idea yourself too so it is no biggy.

I just remember when I was that age I was jealous of the people who had the good jobs and they only had them because they knew about them before I did - because someone who had it the year before told them! I can see TTJ becoming a good source of knowledge about that sort of job and when that happens the employers will be crying out to be thought of as the cool ones.

By the way this is the sort of stuff you stick in the "marketing plan" section of your business plan, normally. If you've got a business plan then great, but if not, then it can really help to write one out. It doesn't need to be amazing, it's partly a personal thing too because you don't have to show anyone it is just good to get it written down.

Also, I think you've got pretty strong branding emerging on your website. A good idea is to come up with a set of "brand guidelines". They don't have to be anything fancy pancy but if you take note of the colours you use, the sizes of your logo, the variations you'll use etc etc when you come to adding new pages to your website or designing your business cards etc you can just open up the brand guidelines and work from that.

Normally I wouldn't bother mentioning it yet because your website is still in it's infancy - and that's clear in the design - you've got a strong set of branding. It is a good time to come up with some brand guidelines that you can use going forward and your website will clearly evolve over time yet if you stick with the guidelines you'll not lose that identity which is already clear. Here's an example of some b.guidelines. http://www.designerstalk.com/uploads...Guidelines.pdf I wouldn't make anything anywhere near as full on as that but that's a professional set of guidelines to give you an idea.

I like the style of circling the job in the newspaper, an image that you see less and less of. Take a look at these guys to see what happens if you forget about your brand... or never really develop it. IMO they've pretty much copied Pay Pal's design, which is totally inappropriate. http://www.jobsite.co.uk/search-post...FcEJtAodmQL1xA

Here's another example, these guys monster.co.uk <- IMO they look more like a birthday card website than a job website, eg this boring birthday card site http://www.moonpig.com/uk/default.as...FYUY4Qod20KYxQ

In fact, I have often thought about the idea of circling a job advert in the paper and wondered why none of the big job websites use it in their branding, so as soon as I saw your website I thought "At last! Someone with a brain!".

boring: http://www.totaljobs.com/
typical faceless government: http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/home...c33fbc4b&pid=1
boring, just a lot of orange, might as well be easyjet http://www.fish4.co.uk/
boring http://www.reed.co.uk/
boring http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/ (but it is a broad sheet newspaper, so meh)
student jobs - must have used webct for design inspiration, pretty bad boring http://www.jobs.ac.uk/
this is a jobsite website that they've tried to make better branding on, pretty bad... http://www.jobstoday.co.uk/
did this one maybe think about using the circle idea then forget about it or something...? http://www.jobserve.com/ (should have had brand guidelines!)

Page 2 of google, numerous sites later and I find this one, great URL so you'd think they'd be better.. http://www.jobs.co.uk/ but it does use the circling a job idea. But they've done it wrong. The classic image is a RED pen, they are blue, so it's wrong.

When you start adding facebook buttons etc it is easy to end up looking like one of the boring websites above as you lose touch of your own branding.

I can see how a business plan would help me, I am due to create one on Tuesday so I'll place this idea into the plan. Thanks for your comments regarding my brand, the idea of a red pen circling a job advert was just the first thing that came to my mind, so I just thought I'd just use it I can understand how placing a facebook would compromise the sort of branding I've created. I've had a look at those links, I'll see if I can create a similar brand plan On a business note, based on your site, how did you get businesses (in your case, driving instructors) to sign up to your website? Thanks again for all the comments
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Hi there, you're more than welcome for any advice I give you. Remember though, I'm not infallible and you have to rely on your own intuition when it comes to branding etc.

For me my "supplier" is the driving instructor and for you it is the employers. My "product" is driving lessons, and my "customers" are people booking the lessons. However, that's really me fitting those names into boxes - the driving instructors are as much a customer as the learner drivers so it works both ways. It is the same for you, your customers are not just the job seekers but the employers and vice versa.

So, you ask, how did I get the driving instructors on board - but the driving instructors ask me how do I get the learner drivers on board too.

Some Background

I get the driving instructors on board by speaking to them, about the business, about our customers and about how it can help them. The benefit of LPL and selling it to driving instructors is that it is a genuine business model that will actually help them with their own business.

There are plenty of people who have hung up on me when I have called or clicked spam on an email I've sent them, as it is natural to be cautious about products that can seem "too good to be true". I just have to ignore that and move on as frequently those people come back and join up - it is simply that they needed some time to think.

Your Strategy

Establish who your target market is

You will need to figure out who the people are that are going to be most interested in your market. I know that there are plenty of teen employers and that listing them out would be a mad challenge - but just trying to get an idea of what area to go after first is a good idea. You don't need to make a full list, but figuring out say 20 employers that you'll call is a good start.

It's easier than you think

Figuring out who these employers are is not that tough - you are able to narrow it down by geography - so the Lake District is where you are starting out. Then by business activity. You can make a few categories and choose five from each. Say choose five from Restaurants, five Swimming Pools, five Farms....

Figure out HOW and WHOm to get in touch with
Get a phone number, a contact name, an email address etc and target your communication with that person, they should be the decision maker. It may be that email is the only way to get in touch, phone calls the only way or maybe sticking a stamp on an envelope and writing to them with a phone number to call you on.

A few will help get the ball rolling

Once you've got a few on there then you will know how to speak to employers as you'll have learned a bit, you'll have a few 'showcasing' the benefits of the website and best of all you'll be able to tell people to go to the website and see for themselves what it is like to advertise a job with you.

You need to source a list of employers, I'd say the Yellow Pages and a red pen is a good start.

All the best,
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Hey, that sounds like a really promising idea, very good luck.
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Is this online job like thing, what is your criteria to enroll member for job.
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Is this online job like thing, what is your criteria to enroll member for job.
There is no criteria to become a member, all one does is simply go onto the site and see what temporary jobs are available in their local area If your a business, all you need to have is a temporary job on offer that is meant for teenagers
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Hi Ibrahim.

I really like your idea...my younger brother is struggling to find a temporary job right now and I couldn't help him that much...he is in Italy...same problem there.

Also the website is very simple and effective.

The only [minor] thing that doesn't sound to me is:
why is the website called "TTJ = Temporary Teen Jobs" whilst the URL is "http://www.teentj.co.uk/"? Am I missing something?
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Another question: are there already similar projects?
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Thanks In regards to your earlier question, I guess it's just an issue with the website creation and the name of each page, but thanks for pointing it out It's definitely Teenage Temporary Jobs = TeenTJ. To my knowledge, and extensive market research :P, no-one else in England does this. Once I get things up and running in Cumbria then I hope to expand through all of England
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I would say that your site is good. And I salute you for coming up with an idea like this. This is indeed a job well done! Congratulations!
Thanks a lot

I've just re-done the site a bit, would you say it's an improvement? (Certain white bits will be filled with google adsense) Any comments would be of much help
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