This site uses cookies. By continuing to browse the site you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Find out more hereX

Home > Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Baz Hillen Baz Hillen is offline
Guru
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 107
Web Design.

Hi

What are the best ways of learning web design ? I'm thinking of learning but have almost no technical knowledge! What ways did all you designers use ? college courses ? books ? etc Would there be a particular path you'd recomend following ?

Regards

Baz
Reply With Quote
MacMyDay MacMyDay is offline
Starting Out
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Suffolk, England
Posts: 10
I'd recommend reading some books, as most of the information you'll come across online won't be completely up to date or offer you the right information. I couldn't really offer any suggestions, as going for the books that teach you in depth XHTML/CSS use wouldn't be the best place to start, but they'd certainly help you learn it properly in the first place.

Amazon is always a good place to look
__________________
Tom Cahalan
Coding Monkeys - Professional Web Design Services
Reply With Quote
ii3mhz ii3mhz is offline
Connector
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: /home/chair
Posts: 174
If your talking about design then firstly you need the software able to do it. Usually a version of Adobe Photoshop but there is other software out able to do preety much the same thing.

Personally i feel there isnt really a set way to learning I mean sure you can learn the basics and ways of moving around the software but the real key is experimenting and time. Do tutorials (www.good-tutorials.com) and practise your skills in photoshop often.
Reply With Quote
..DN.. ..DN.. is offline
Connector
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 289
Baz,

My masters was in multimedia with a large part focused on online design so I have some insite and opinons.

There are hundreds of collage and university courses etc on web design and similar - some good, some bad. I would recommend looking at what area you want to get in to and then see if there is a course that fits. If the course is good then it will give you a good foundation - more importantly it will give you insite into what is possible, what the different technologies do etc. Its only a foundation as I said, so you will need to spend a lot of time yourself, learning skills and doing your own projects. Don't expect course to teach you everything, but they will open your eyes to what interest you and what you should learn - then its up to you to do that.

You could teach yourself with out a course as a lot of web designers have but I personally think that you are best to use a course for the theory side such as HCI, psycology, usability engineering, work flow / project management etc and the basic skills and programs - but go further in your own time applying these to projects and developing your practicle skills.

My best bit of advice would be to get general skills and overview and then specialise and so develop niche skills.

Hope this helps or gives food for thought.

DN
Reply With Quote
Baz Hillen Baz Hillen is offline
Guru
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 107
Thanks for the responses guys, some interesting pointers. I'll research local courses, check out some books and take it from there.

Cheers Merry Xmas

Baz
Reply With Quote
JustOneUK JustOneUK is offline
Connector
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: At my desk - always!
Posts: 1,034
Quote:
Originally posted by ..DN..

You could teach yourself with out a course as a lot of web designers have but I personally think that you are best to use a course for the theory side such as HCI, psycology, usability engineering, work flow / project management etc and the basic skills and programs - but go further in your own time applying these to projects and developing your practicle skills.

My best bit of advice would be to get general skills and overview and then specialise and so develop niche skills.
eh ?

go to nvu.com download the software and start building

...or purchase frontpage and do the same, or dreamweaver.
One thing you will need to learn is mysql (for building databases) apart from that...it's read/practice/read/practice read/prac....adinfinitum
__________________
A forum you can call your own - My Business Forum
Buy your own TOWN PAGE from only £10 - UK Towns
Buy a virtual celebrity webpage - Celebrities

Free Business Advertising | UK Business Directory
Local Business Directory | UK Business Directory | Free PC Tools
Lifetime Links | Cooking Recipes | Dessert recipes | 10,000 directories
Reply With Quote
Phil Phil is offline
Connector
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: London
Posts: 944
Quote:
Originally posted by JustOneUK
eh ?

go to nvu.com download the software and start building

...or purchase frontpage and do the same, or dreamweaver.
One thing you will need to learn is mysql (for building databases) apart from that...it's read/practice/read/practice read/prac....adinfinitum
That is VERY wrong! Things like "HCI, psycology, usability engineering, work flow / project management" are extremely important and having those skills seperates you from the "bedroom designers" who know how to use Frontpage/Dreamweaver, and the professionals who know how to properly design and develop. I have a client right now who knew exactly what they wanted for their site, however their plans broke a lot of basic HCI rules. I pointed out to them that even though they liked their design, users may find it simply annoying and will leave the site, e.g. one rule of thumb in HCI is that a logo should always be in the top left - this client wanted it on the top right. (If you are a "designer" and don't know why this is wrong then you should go learn about HCI).

Therefore my knowledge of HCI, psychology and usability allowed me to consult with my clients to achieve a better final design.

It is also important to learn how and why XHTML and CSS work, how to program sites to meet legal requirements for access by the disabled, and how to optimise a site so that it can be easily categorised by a search engine.
__________________
Phil Rae B.Sc (Hons)

netInspired - Website | Application | Database Development

View Phil Rae's profile on LinkedIn      
Reply With Quote
JustOneUK JustOneUK is offline
Connector
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: At my desk - always!
Posts: 1,034
we will have to disagree (which is not a problem)

99% of webdesigners have only built a few sites, some have only made sites for their mum

People who can handcode php fluid websites with sql, xhtml, fully w3 compatible.. and all the toys, definately deserve some kudos, doesn't mean they know JS about marketing. Some of them don't even understand search engines...so it's pretty pointless getting them to build you a great site that no-one will find.

What are the best ways of learning web design ? was the question ...not how can i become a webdesign and marketing guru.

First step has to be learn the basics.
__________________
A forum you can call your own - My Business Forum
Buy your own TOWN PAGE from only £10 - UK Towns
Buy a virtual celebrity webpage - Celebrities

Free Business Advertising | UK Business Directory
Local Business Directory | UK Business Directory | Free PC Tools
Lifetime Links | Cooking Recipes | Dessert recipes | 10,000 directories
Reply With Quote
Phil Phil is offline
Connector
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: London
Posts: 944
HCI is the principle of how humans interact with computers (in this case, websites). Psycology is how people perceive what they are shown and so what makes things aestetically pleaseing to the eye or not.

Part of web design is graphic design which is included in the above. So to be a good web designer, you also need to know how to be a good graphics designer - not necessarily know how to use the tools, just the theory behind it. Nothing at all about marketting, PHP, MySQL, et. al. there.

But being W3 compatible is definately a MUST. There's no point getting into bad habits right at the very start of learning.

And having the ability to read and write XHTML in a text editor definately has its advantages. Dreamweaver is great and I use it all the time, but sometimes things in the visual display simply will not work - a quick look at the source code can allow me to find and solve the problem in a jiffy


In answer to the question posted: I personally taught myself HTML (what was HTML 3.0 back in the day) by simply doign a few online tutorials, then viewing site source code to figure out what was going on. Just make sure you use simple sites to look at, not massive ones like MP3.com, BBC news, etc.

I then went on and did the same to teach myself CSS2 and PHP4, and kept myself up-to-date with the updates to HTML (now XHTML 1.0 is the standard).

In 2001 I went to Uni to do Internet Computer Science which taught me Java, as well as how to carry out what I was mentioning at the top of this post.

At present I'm now teaching myself PHP5 in an object-oriented sense so that my scripts are structured in a similar manner to a full application (i.e. one created in Java). Again I'm doing this by searching Google for examples of what I'm after, i.e. if I want to find out how to create a class in PHP5, I saerch Google for "class in PHP5", then look at any source code it throws back at me.

So to sum up I'm guessing "learn by example" is a good method I use.
__________________
Phil Rae B.Sc (Hons)

netInspired - Website | Application | Database Development

View Phil Rae's profile on LinkedIn      
Reply With Quote
chris_1d chris_1d is offline
Maven
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Cambridgeshire
Posts: 74
I started with Frontpage, but am now well into using Dreamweaver/Fireworks and Flash. I just simply played about, making things that looked good and worked well. I also have a couple of books which were good for reference.

I love playing about, getting things to click. I'm now onto PHP and various other bits and pieces too!!

Chris
__________________
Christopher Durkin
Reply With Quote
Megalegs Megalegs is offline
Maven
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 99
Why top left?

[quote]Originally posted by Phil

e.g. one rule of thumb in HCI is that a logo should always be in the top left - this client wanted it on the top right. (If you are a "designer" and don't know why this is wrong then you should go learn about HCI).

I am not a web designer but just wondered what the reason is for having the logo in the top lef?

Thanks
Megan.
Reply With Quote
Martin Martin is offline
Connector
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Luton, Bedfordshire
Posts: 2,726
Re: Why top left?

[quote]Originally posted by Megalegs
Quote:
Originally posted by Phil

e.g. one rule of thumb in HCI is that a logo should always be in the top left - this client wanted it on the top right. (If you are a "designer" and don't know why this is wrong then you should go learn about HCI).

I am not a web designer but just wondered what the reason is for having the logo in the top lef?

Thanks
Megan.
It's like having the steering wheel of a car on the right in the UK.... Most people expect it.
Reply With Quote
Phil Phil is offline
Connector
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: London
Posts: 944
Re: Re: Why top left?

Quote:
Originally posted by Martin
It's like having the steering wheel of a car on the right in the UK.... Most people expect it.
Exactly... and if it's not there the user gets a little annoyed - too many annoyances and they'll simply hit the back button and leave your site.
__________________
Phil Rae B.Sc (Hons)

netInspired - Website | Application | Database Development

View Phil Rae's profile on LinkedIn      
Reply With Quote
Megalegs Megalegs is offline
Maven
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 99
You are right - just looked at a few prominent sites on net & the majority have their logo in the top left corner - I found my eyes automatically go there once the page opens too! you learn something new everyday huh?! Thanks.
Reply With Quote
amz amz is offline
Guru
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 117
Re: Why top left?

Quote:
Originally posted by Megalegs
I am not a web designer but just wondered what the reason is for having the logo in the top lef?

Thanks
Megan. [/b]
We read left to right
It would be another story in China or the Saudi for example.
__________________
Best Regards,
amz
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Copyright Shell LiveWIRE 2005-2009