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snatton snatton is offline
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Domestic Energy Assessor?

Hello, I wonder if anyone thinks its a good opportunity to become a self employed Domestic Engery Assessor? These are basically people who carry out energy efficiency reports on houses which go on the market (mandatory from July 2007). Obviously i would have to train to receive my recognised certificate at a cost of around £4,000....... is it worth it???

Thanks for your help.

p.s I'm really sick of my current job!!!
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Mmm,
I'm not sure... what made you decide to do that??
It sounds interesting, but I guess the only way you'll really know is to do some thorough research.
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This site may help you out;
http://www.homeinspectors.co.uk/hi-training-dea.html

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../22/dl2203.xml

quick article on DEAs. Basically a parasitic new job. The actual paper article goes on to say how it is money for old rope and you need very little to be qualified and it is all a big con. see if you can get the full article.
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The real danger with this "profession" is that it is essentially useless - you are not getting any real skills that are saleable on the open market and paying a huge amount in training to point out the real basic such as old house with sash windows (shock horror) cost more to heat that new ones with proper insulation. It is only there due to legislation and not need. Therefore if the law is changed (which it might be!) or just plain ignored then you are out of a job.

I have just moved house, and i know I wouldnít have been to chuffed to pay for a HIP given it has cost me a fortune to move already. I last moved 5 or 6 years ago and the increase in the amount of **** you have to do is unbelievable without this on top. Might well get some civil disobedience on this if the larger estate agents have the balls to simply say no. The fines are relatively small compared to their commissions and I wonder how many extra instructions agents would get simply by ignoring the law, I think if I was chosing an agent and one said I didnt need to do the pack then I would chose them over the competition......the buyer doesnt really care as no sensible buyer will rely on what is in the pack anyway.

This late on I would give it six months and see what happens.
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Thanks for the advice, i think i will hang fire until after it settles down a bit, like james says.

thanks
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hi there

i think it's a great opportunity to become a DEA.

a good company called vibrant energy are now hiring freelance staff now

here is the email address for anyone who wants to apply!

fc@vibrantenergyuk.com
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Is it a good idea? DEA or HI?

Here's the jist...I am about to qualify as an H.I. which includes domestic energy assessment.

There is a currently a "Texas scramble" underway with several thousand candidates up and down the country feverishly training, and hoping to qualify in time for the 'Go Live Date' of 1st June 2007.

First of all!

Excercise great caution over whom you give your hard earned dosh to!. The market is awash with so called 'Training Companies' eagerly waiting to snap your hand off for the cash only to deliver very poor quality training that will see you burning midnight oil trying to get your head round the whole thing. Contrary to recent Press reporting, we are not a bunch of deadbeats, checkout operators, sales assistants, low IQ's and criminals looking for a lucky break, most of us are degree qualified or equiv in other fields looking for new opportunities.

We have the Press, Tories, House of Lords, Surveying establishment, sceptics, estate agents and other fearful types doing there level best to snuff out what is an excellent initiative and one which will bring the whole house selling process into one of control and transparency. After all if you were buying something with an average buying price in the region of £200,000 would you not want to know what condition it was REALLY in (home condition report)...I know I would!

There is an excellent forum for anyone seriously considering this as a new career (www.homeinspectorforum.co.uk)

This forum is bursting with guys from all ages and backgrounds either training to be DEA's (Domestic Energy Assesors), or HI's (Home Inpsectors)

Some training companies are listed to enable career development loans to be taken against the courses.

I am here to help anyone further in anyway that I can, 25 years in business and doing this!...if you really want to know about either Domestic Energy Assessor, or Home Inspector careers fire your questions at me!!!

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I disagree with James as this being "useless", it could be an excellent starting point for anyone seriously interested in moving on to become a Surveyor.

Possible Route:

Domestic Energy Assessor
Home Inspector
Valuations Surveyor
TechRics
Surveyor

I wish the whole course was as simple as James suggests, stating the amazing obvious points like old windows, that could have saved me 12 months of sleepless nights trying to qualify...In know of three Building Surveyors who have bailed out of training due to it being "too difficult"

James might change his view if he were to invite one of to his home to carry out a free HCR?

Oh!... and don't kid yourselves into believing that the "Survey" you pay for through your Lender is anything more than just a simple check to make sure they get their money back if they have to reposess it!
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I've just about finished training for this new career as an Energy Assessor. (DEA)

It sounded great and it would be except for one thing - after an initial scare that there wouldn't be enough people doing it, there are now toooo many!

They reckoned they'd need 3,000 - 4,500 Home Inspectors who need to spend twice as long on a job as a DEA.

I get the CLG's newsletter. Last month they had 3,000 DEAs passed training/in training. this month, they've got 3,500 trainees. There are 1.6 million homes sold on the market each year. Do the math. 1,600,000 / 3000 = 666 jobs each per year (the number of the beast). Divide that by 48 working weeks per year. That's just 11 jobs per week each! If there's 3500 DEAs, then that's just 9-and-a-half jobs per week each.

The training companies are in a feeding frenzy. they don't care about the eventual state of the industry and employment prospects for those that pass out. They make their money in training. They're coining it in!

This is going to be like plumbing all over again. The bottom was kicked out of that by over supply in the labour market. There is no sign of a slow down in the number of people coming in to this - 500 per month - and there won't be til a few bad news stories get out.

My prediction is that there will be several good months for DEAs i.e. this Summer til the Winter slow down in the housing market combines with hundreds and hundreds of new DEAs passing out ready for business in the Autumn/Winter when all of a sudden everything will hit the buffers

Best of luck in another business!
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Hmm thatís interesting to note there may be too many people not too few!

I was thinking about how this might go, and IF it remains in place, it will probably wind up being a "least cost is best" service, i.e. the householder paying for it will just want it done on the cheap - they wont want anyone diligent coming round finding problems, and if they do, they will simply get the report done again until the problems are *cough* ignored *did you just drop those £20 notes?* etc.

Which is PRECISLY why these things are going to be worthless, as no buyer with half a brain is going to trust them, and why its guff to suggest they have any really value.

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James, you forget this also applies to the rental market and all commercial and government property's.
I think it will attract people to rent a certain property over another.
I was having this discussion the other day with a guy who works for a load of rental agency's issuing their corgi and electrical certificates for their properties. He was thinking of doing the course and offering it as a side line business and asked a few of the agents if they were interested. They all wanted him to do it for them and he won't be the cheapest person around. Their corgi inpsections cost more than some other companies etc.
I think with the rental market people will need to be careful going into this. Rentals will have until mid 2008 to be certified so there will be a 1 year rush and then a down turn in business. If your servicing house sales etc as well then i think you could make a career out of it.

As for the home information pack it is actually a good idea. Part of the pack will be the survey. This will help speed up chains and if a chain breaks it will stop people loosing money on wasted surveys etc.
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James - the requirement for a survey has been dropped.

Itís basically unworkable unless you are particularly gullible and believe what you are told by the seller.
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Re: Is it a good idea? DEA or HI?

Hi there,

I read your reponse below & hope you don;t mind me contacting you. I'm looking to train as a DEA and I suppose I just wanted to know if you truley think this is going to be a good career move and investment? Have you found that there are too many people trying to retrain? I really want to do this but the training costs make it a big risk. With this in mind have you heard of any where offering sponsorship?

Thanks in advance, Sonrisa

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Originally posted by SthglosHI
Here's the jist...I am about to qualify as an H.I. which includes domestic energy assessment.

There is a currently a "Texas scramble" underway with several thousand candidates up and down the country feverishly training, and hoping to qualify in time for the 'Go Live Date' of 1st June 2007.

First of all!

Excercise great caution over whom you give your hard earned dosh to!. The market is awash with so called 'Training Companies' eagerly waiting to snap your hand off for the cash only to deliver very poor quality training that will see you burning midnight oil trying to get your head round the whole thing. Contrary to recent Press reporting, we are not a bunch of deadbeats, checkout operators, sales assistants, low IQ's and criminals looking for a lucky break, most of us are degree qualified or equiv in other fields looking for new opportunities.

We have the Press, Tories, House of Lords, Surveying establishment, sceptics, estate agents and other fearful types doing there level best to snuff out what is an excellent initiative and one which will bring the whole house selling process into one of control and transparency. After all if you were buying something with an average buying price in the region of £200,000 would you not want to know what condition it was REALLY in (home condition report)...I know I would!

There is an excellent forum for anyone seriously considering this as a new career (www.homeinspectorforum.co.uk)

This forum is bursting with guys from all ages and backgrounds either training to be DEA's (Domestic Energy Assesors), or HI's (Home Inpsectors)

Some training companies are listed to enable career development loans to be taken against the courses.

I am here to help anyone further in anyway that I can, 25 years in business and doing this!...if you really want to know about either Domestic Energy Assessor, or Home Inspector careers fire your questions at me!!!

Regards
Nick
Sthglos Home Inspections
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pgb2022c pgb2022c is offline
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Hi Sonirsa

I am currently being sponsored by Vibrant Energy, they pay for the training and employe you at the same time. My exams next week so V nervious.

You can email me on c.brooker46(AT)btinternet.com if you want any details.
Just put the symb @ instead of (AT), sorry dont want to make it look like nobody knows but adding (AT) stops any unwanted emails.

Thanks

Clive
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