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cc123
01-11-2005, 03:11 PM
Is anyone watching this tonight - thought it could be interesting:

http://www.channel4.com/4money/realdeal/makemeamillion/

Rachael
01-11-2005, 03:19 PM
I'm going to be watching! It looks really good and hopefully will be inspiring to new businesses and people who are thinking of starting up!

Martin
01-11-2005, 03:20 PM
ooooooo.....

Good post cam I did see that this was on yesterday but completely forgot !

Got it marked down, should be interesting to watch :)

cc123
01-11-2005, 03:24 PM
yeah I cant wait to see the ideas they come up with. Im betting at least one of the three will be excellent and at least one will be somehting you would never invest in ever!!

hoobs
01-11-2005, 04:31 PM
looks good. hopefuly not as car crash as some of the 'risking it all' series. have you been to www.milliondollarhomepage.com yet its one of those really simple ideas that puts a smile on your face.

Play!!
01-11-2005, 05:17 PM
Now that you have pointed it out to me I will be watching too. That should be quite interesting. I can see some massive risks being taken to achieve that goal in such a short space of time. Lessons for us all in that program I think. Good post mate.

Yeah search the forum for "am I nuts" and you should come up with Alexs original post introducing us all to his site. When he posted that there were only a few hundred pixels sold. Good idea, glad it worked well for him too.

cc123
01-11-2005, 05:35 PM
Me & my boss at work have come to the conclusion that Alex Tew isnt working alone - he is merely a puppet in a much larger scale operation. possibly a plan for world domination,lol

natasha
01-11-2005, 08:11 PM
yep i'll definately be watching it, they were on richard and judy today, sounds interesting....

Play!!
01-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Yep, business is hard, looks like they learn that part on next weeks episode. Liked the way that mentor pointed out there is more than one way to accomplish the same objective. I also liked to see that one of the mentors didnt have any qualifications either so that reassuring. Ummmm, "what is a chief executive. Im not sure they will make a million in a year, takes years to gain the knoledge that you really do need for it. That bed may do well because the product will sell itself, if it can do what it says. Good viewing though, ill watch next weeks.

darrenatkinson1981
02-11-2005, 10:33 AM
I liked it, but to be honest it seems like some of the people are pretty clueless.

It is easy to say when watching a TV program I know, but for example, those two with the bed: In a meeting with the largest bed supplier in the UK didn't know how much they were going to retail their bed for!

The diet lads only managed to get 2 questionaires filled in on their market research day.

And the two girls, in a meeting with Somerfield started telling the people how lucky and thankful they were to get a meeting with them.

I know things in business are extremly hard, especially when just starting out, it didn't seem to me like any of them where 100% dedicated or had put enough effort into it.

I'll keep watching though as hopefully they will all prove me wrong.

Darren

jklondon
02-11-2005, 10:57 AM
have to say it looked pretty lame - not a touch on the apprentice. For a starters the candidates - esp the two with kids - were clueless in general. Plus none of the ideas stood out at all....will I watch it again... PROBABALY :) ..given all the other c*ap on TV this is relativley good.

cc123
02-11-2005, 11:21 AM
I think you have to remember when you're watching a programme like this that the producers have shortlisted those people to get picked by the 3 Entrpreneurs.
I suspect that there were probably some really clued up people who would have easily made a million in a year without a problem - the point being that it wouldnt make as good viewing as people who are going to struggle and have arguements and fall apart.
Personally I think the following:
1. Bed idea - rubbish - who wants a bed with a V12 engine!!!
2. Weight loss market is way way to hard to break into as easily as they are proposing.
3. The shampoo girl will be a winner (without her loser friend who will jack it in)

thats my prediction anyway.

Martin
02-11-2005, 01:04 PM
I was a little disappointed by the program if I'm honest, I felt it should have been called "A Millionaire makes a million for some half-wits who couldn't do it themselves".

The bed idea is a good one, if they can prove it's qualities for health they're onto a winner... But lets be fair the two "entrepreneurs" had there heads stuck "up" :D the wrong places if they expected to quit 30k a yr jobs and take a salary from a company making no money. (If I was their mentor, and no camera's were around, I'd give them a real taste of medicine) And not only that, but talk about a lucky break with her father being an inventor.

The two guys with the diet idea, bunch of jokers who don't have a hope in hell, they should have saved the 30k and bought shares in the Shampoo business of the other two :D

The shampoo idea will work (and is), having recently been made a father I've heard alot of women talking about baby products lol.... :D

The ginger woman has already been ousted I believe, well if you check the website she's not there! ( http://www.halogb.co.uk ) I wonder what thats done for their friendship... her lifestyle didn't allow her the time, but I wonder if she was just coming along for the ride on her friends go-for-it drive!

"From September 2005, 'Halos n Horns' products will available in most branches of Tesco, Somerfield, Morrisons and Sainsbury's across the UK. From January they will also be in all main Asda stores. "

So who made a million? I think we know...

Belinda
02-11-2005, 01:08 PM
I enjoyed this but only saw the last half after reading about it on here.

I notice a few negagtive comments on the irish girl and I also notice they are coming from men. I realise this is business and there is no room for messing about with personal issue but unless you are a mum and have no support then you shouldn't pass judgment.

I perhaps am more forgiving as I too started in business with a 2yr old and my mum lives 12000 miles away, I had no support. Its just another challenge they will have to deal with but don't brand her a looser just because she is a mum with childcare issues.

I hope they work it out, look forward to watching next week.

Just my 2pence worth ;-)

Cheers,
Belinda
www.pinkenvy.co.uk
**30% off Sweet Glamour Jewellery in November**

Hebe73
02-11-2005, 01:23 PM
I think the main thing is that the other lady also had a child, but her determination ment, she arranged for someone to look after her baby while the company was setup. The Irish lady just didnt.

I can't believe the arrogance of those people with the bed. Unless they can scientifically prove there is a health advantage, it will be a 'commodity'

Belinda
02-11-2005, 01:32 PM
Yes but Irish lady had no option but to move back to her mums. The other lady had free child care from her mum who obviously lives in the same country as her. I am sure if the Irish lady had her mum nearby she would have done the same.

Agree about the bed people, that meeting they had with Dreams was dreadful.

Cheers,
Belinda
www.pinkenvy.co.uk

hoobs
02-11-2005, 02:05 PM
I think they were all more than just a little naive. Starting your own business is the first step to becoming a millionaire, but before you light your cigars there are huge sacrifices such as salaries, security, family, friends etc. I currently work harder than I have ever done in my entire life, I get paid less than when I a teenager and haven't been to the pub in months. But these will all be worth it! Superstar mentor or not you cannot avoid long hours and hard graft if you want to make it!
Rant over, before I drown in self pity and just get a job!

neiliboy
02-11-2005, 03:04 PM
I'm really annoyed that i missed this - does anyone know when it'll be repeated?

Neil

cc123
02-11-2005, 03:31 PM
yeah I agree with hoobs. The thing most non entrepreneurs fail to grasp ifs the concept of sacrifice, which is why they will never 'make it'. But thats what seperates the two - if you look at any successful person they are hugely driven. All the people who want to be rich or have fame do so without wanting to put the work in.
I thought it was facinating that all three mentor entrepreneurs on the show didn't mince their words one bit. The female one has a hell of a personailty. Which brings me nicely to me question I wish to put to the forum:
Are entrepreneurs born or made?

openmind
02-11-2005, 03:43 PM
Are entrepreneurs born or made? [/B]

Born. Period...

Martin
02-11-2005, 03:48 PM
If you believe that entrepreneurs are born, then you may aswell give up now, because you will always be looking at others, wishing for what they had, but not truely believing you can be it.

Remember no one is born a hero, it takes a heroic act of courage and no one is born a entrepreneur, it takes a solid belief in what you doing will succeed. (Even if you fail again and again, you keep trying, thats a entrepreneur)

openmind
02-11-2005, 03:51 PM
Ok I'll rephrase. Entrepreneurs are born with certain traits and characteristics that make them what they are be it a level of self belief, determination or skill...

The one thing I've seen from all these business reality programme's is that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks, especially if they don't want to even learn...

Play!!
02-11-2005, 03:52 PM
I disagree with Phil. I think they are made. Its all about psychology, the way you think about things, You arnt born with this, you learn from experience. Then again I used to dress up in suits when I was a kid so maybe you are born with it.

Martin
02-11-2005, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by openmind
especially if they don't want to even learn...

I believe you can teach old dogs new tricks, "if they want to learn" and in that respect you hit the nail on the head.

It's all part of "wanting" to succeed, but REALLY WANTING to succeed and not even looking at failure as an option.

Thats my view anyway, altho I think this is one of them questions if you ask 5 people you will get 5 answers...

Remember, the glass is always half full ! :D ;)

openmind
02-11-2005, 03:56 PM
No you but you are born with certain traits that will either hinder or support your growth as an individual.

I was dropped on my head as a baby but it hasn't stopped me from running my own successful business...

wibble ;)

kayemdesign
02-11-2005, 03:56 PM
Made.

An entrepreneur is shaped over time and from the experiences they have had and the mistakes they've made. Life experience has an impact as well. For me I was happy working the nine-to-five until my dad became ill and it made me realise life was too short to sit around, now I graft hard every waking hour and help to run a very successful promotional gifts business with my business partner.

If Alan Sugar had been born into a family worth millions, would he have had the desire and passion to create his current wealth? Come to think of it, most famous entrepreneurs have come from ordinary working class backgrounds but obviously wanted more for their family and didn't want to struggle.

Obviously there is no straight model for an entrepreneur, some are born into a family of entrepreneurs and will therefore have more opportunties to follow in the family way, whilst others are shaped through time and even have opportunties presented to them that take them down the path of being an entrepreneur.

In my case, I was made an entrepreneur by my life experiences and opinions that have changed throughout my working life. Now in my early thirties my goals are somewhat different to those when I was growing up and left school.

Steve

cc123
02-11-2005, 03:57 PM
I am gonna go between.
I think you to Make yourself but you wont do that without being Born with certain characteristics e.g determination, vision, leadership etc etc. :P

Jon123
02-11-2005, 03:59 PM
Successful entrepreneurs have certain skills that cannot be taught they were born with. natural talent.
like footballers everyone can play footy but some have excellent natural talent .
Those 2 girls don't seem to have any kind of entrepreneurial talent, and look clueless to what they are doing becuase they are being spoon feed and using no intiative.

Liverpool 3 - 0 anderlecht
Jon

Martin
02-11-2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Jon123
Successful entrepreneurs have certain skills that cannot be taught they were born with. natural talent.
like footballers everyone can play footy but some have excellent natural talent .
Those 2 girls don't seem to have any kind of entrepreneurial talent, and look clueless to what they are doing becuase they are being spoon feed and using no intiative.

Liverpool 3 - 0 anderlecht
Jon

You say that, but look where one is now, she wanted her idea made a reality and now it's being stocked in all the big stores.

She wanted that, and as you say with no "natural talent"....

Explain that one? .... Yeah she was helped, but you make your own luck and she applied for the program. (The dream already existed)

Real Betis 1 - 0 Chelsea :D haahahahaha

darrenatkinson1981
02-11-2005, 04:13 PM
Good conversation, bit off topic but never mind.

I believe becoming a successful entrepreneur, is down to each person.

I agree it is very difficult to look at some people and really believe that they have the drive to become a success. I have know people in my life who just seem to be happy plodding along in their own world, and to be honest I really can't ever imagine them having the determination to do anything like running a business.

But peoples priorities change over time. Myself as an example, a few years ago I really was lazy to be honest. I worked a 9 - 5, got paid, went out had fun.

Fast forward 3 years I'm now married and trying to establish a business while still working a full time job. For me marriage has given me determination to better myself and the financial position for my family.

I am not working every hour god sends, although I'm definitely working more than I used too. But I don't mind as I have objectives in mind.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, in my opinion, becoming a success at anything requires hard work and determination, and that determination my come from many different sources.

Darren

Jon123
02-11-2005, 04:44 PM
wasnt the idea posted to them by there mentors mate, they just agreed and explained it would help her kid because he got side affects to the shampoo she used.
If it was her idea then they don't seem to understand much about it. especially the girl from dublin.
wasnt the reason they only got the job because she said she wanted to prove all the people that had said bad stuff about her wrong?

Who you support martin?

Play!!
02-11-2005, 05:03 PM
The girl from Dublin didnt realise what it takes to become successful in that world. I realise a mothers bond is strong but it isnt as if her kid would have been to affected by it all. In the end her kid would have had a better life because of it.

Her partner did know what it takes and her determination came from the fact she wanted to prove herself to people. Powerful emotion that is. People use emotions in different ways, ive even learnt how to use negative emotions to my advantage, as the latter lady has done.

I think by the mentors choosing people with little working knowledge of business shows that the personal characteristics needed are harder to aquire, compared to the knowledge needed.

This is good news for most of us I think.

Martin
02-11-2005, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Jon123
wasnt the reason they only got the job because she said she wanted to prove all the people that had said bad stuff about her wrong?

Who you support martin?

opps yes :D ... I didn't explain that one to well ...

Swap Idea for Dream, and that the idea made her dream a reality. You need to "want", and her drive for this was wanting to prove others wrong.

An idea is just an idea, it doesn't go anywhere by itself.

Like I said before I don't really agree with the program, but you've got to hand it to the people that try by entering....

Martin
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I'm a Luton Town fan (*ducks*), were doing pretty well until last week lol.... But I keep an eye on Liverpool for my "premiership" side. (And have done snice I was about 5yrs old)

JamieM
02-11-2005, 06:26 PM
I watched this last night too and to be honest wasn't partcularly inspired by any of the entrants or the products.

I'll be watching it to see Chris Gorman in action though, I like him as an entrepreneur. I love the story about how he motivates himself with pictures of his next house etc, there is great power there. :D I do similar things myself. One of my favourites is my framed copy of issue 1 of Richard Bransons 'Student' magazine. A daily reminder of the great man's humble beginnings. :D

Anyway back to the show.....Apart from the fact that the people didn't really seem to be taking it that seriously, I was particularly surprised when the girl wanted to take 24k in salary from the outset. She'll just have to settle for her 3 grand. :D

urban1
02-11-2005, 06:40 PM
To me the programme seemed to miss out several key stages before starting the selling business. There seemed to be little planning, market research etc. I realise that this is an entertainment programme but I would have thought this should have been shown. They all embarrassed themselves by approaching stockists before they even had firm products. The two women grovelling to the supermarket bosses for allowing them to be there, and the bed team not being able to answer basic questions.

The bed team seemed to have the wrong attitude to succeed. They wanted to take a salary from a company with no product to sell and commented that they had taken a fall in salary to take this opportunity. They seemed both arrogant and cocky and didn't like being guided by their mentor. I think they may be too close to their product to allow it to be made commercially viable as the inventor was the father. The other big problem I see with the bed is that it is a specialist medical item and doesn't really have more than niche appeal. Also the need for service / repair engineers would have to be addressed. I see this product being sold by pressure salesmen doing 4 hour pitches in your living room and not in your local furniture shop.

I'll be watching the next one though, as long as I remember its on.

hoobs
04-11-2005, 11:41 AM
I am going to sit firmly on the fence here! If you are born a lazy waster you will never do any thing. You need drive but that is usually sparked by something such as insecurity by being labeled as a failure early and fighting to lose that tag. I read an article billionaires and it said Bill Gates was bullied at school, so to avoid having his glasses stamped in the playground he desires world domination. So he is the biggest in the Playground.
hoobs
www.sophieandgrace.co.uk

emmalr
04-11-2005, 02:05 PM
Myself and my mum have been trying to turn my dad into an entrepreneur for years. He is something of an inventor and has come up with some truly genious ideas. But trying to get him to turn it into a business has been like drawing blood from a stone. He has no drive or enthusiasm to start a business, no matter how much we encourage him.
He was made redundant two years ago and we went through a bad patch finacially - he still never got that 'spark' to start his own business.
He's now doing a job he hates and all of his ideas are sitting in the garage gathering dust... he's been like this since he was born and nothing will ever change him.

Myself on the other hand, have had the entrepreneurial spark since I was able to talk... not just in a business sense. I've always had the drive to succeed in everything I do - from school work to ironing. I think that 'spark' is something that you have in you as a person, rather than something you learn.
I also think though that you have to learn how to use the 'spark' correctly. Judgement, commitment, organisation are all traits required in business. I think the best entrepreneurs learn how to use these correctly in order to benefit the most.

natasha
04-11-2005, 02:18 PM
Oh what about the bit where the bed team, were demanding a salary something like 20k correct me if i'm wrong, i thought that was just ridiculous.

Well it all gets exciting next time, someone or some two have an affair can you guess who?? ;)

As for the other debate,
I dont think its a straight forward as being born or made a entrepreneur, i think it can be developed over time, but then again i think it comes from your family background too.
You do need to posses certain skills, which your prob born with.

Belinda
04-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Ohh do spill the beans Natasha, where did you get this info from?

First guess I would think one of the shampoo girls but reading about their mentors' business I am not sure he is that way inclined.

Cheers,
Belinda
www.pinkenvy.co.uk

Play!!
04-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Yep it was 20k. Not a bright idea to take a third of your capital for yourself. For the first half year I was in business I had to spend my own money, then for the last 6 months all I took was 30 per week to keep me going. Now im able to take a full wage, im quite proud that ive managed to create a job and a steady wage too.

natasha
04-11-2005, 02:54 PM
It was from the Richard and Judy interview, the "Bed couple" have an affair and the guys partner is pregnant, but they have all made up now supposedly.....
You can so see it though, in the way the glare at each other....

one2escape
04-11-2005, 04:19 PM
I enjoyed the programme but mainly for the mentors seeing there approach to things. I am going to take one of there ideas and put into practice. Im going to look at the house I want move into next to motivate me to get my ass into gear.

The 2 girls seem to take a battering here (maybe wrong choice of words). The Irish girl for me is a waste of space and reminds me of so many people in life. She appears at the 'interviews' presentations etc. and trying to take the glory without putting in the work. The other girls seems to be doing the work. Leaving her baby with her mum for upto 5 days a time takes grapefruits.

emmalr
04-11-2005, 04:25 PM
What did the male entrepreneur with the glasses do to make his millions. His face is familiar to me - is he a geordie?

Emma.

openmind
04-11-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by emmalr
What did the male entrepreneur with the glasses do to make his millions. His face is familiar to me - is he a geordie?

Emma.

Don't think so. He made his pile through Mobiles and .com businesses...

JamieM
04-11-2005, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by emmalr
What did the male entrepreneur with the glasses do to make his millions. His face is familiar to me - is he a geordie?

Emma.

Hi Emma,

It's Chris Gorman. His most well known ventures include DX Communications, The Gadget Shop and Birthdays.

emmalr
04-11-2005, 07:49 PM
ahh...the gadget shop - I think he was at an instore appearance thing I went to a few years ago.

Thanks.

worchyld
05-11-2005, 05:42 PM
Are Entreprenuers made, or born?

#1 -- All leaders throughout history learn from their successes as well as their mistakes and follys; Hannibal is perhaps the best example that a leader can be made. Genghis Kahn is perhaps another example that a leader can be made.

#2 -- If you are born with the traits, then why do you need to go to school, college, University?

#3 -- Being born with it empthasises that people who don't have it won't have it and should never try to obtain it - and I refuse to believe that I should settle for mediocrity because somebody says I don't have "it" - whatever "it" is.

PRO "born"
"Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them -- a desire, a dream, a vision."
-- Muhammad Ali

PRO "made"
"I don't have to be what nobody else wants me to be and I am not afraid to be what I want to be."
-- Muhammad Ali

I'd rather go with Made myself, because born suggests to me that I should never dare to dream..

JamieM
05-11-2005, 07:23 PM
I think that entrepreneurs are BORN in that every able minded person is born with the ability to be an entrepreneur. It is their luggage of life that may hold them back from doing so. Education does not historically prepare you for entrepreneurship but for employment. Thankfully this is now beginning to change.

So, in conclusion, if someone has a burning desire to be an entrepreneur and can reprogramme their thinking as such, then in this way an entrepreneur can be MADE.

Where the DESIRE to be an entrepreneur comes from is an entirely different question......

Play!!
06-11-2005, 07:48 AM
Ive just finished reading this book. It clearly descibes how you get the desire aswell as the faith in your ability and the persistance required. Think and grow rich. If you havnt read it then you should do so. Im going to learn the whole book and start putting every aspect into play. I promise that the time spent reading this book isnt wasted.

As to if entrepreneurs are born or made, heres an expert talking about this very subject.

http://www.forbes.com/video/?video_url=http://www.forbes.com/video/fvn/business/bn_entre110405&id=nelson_instinct&title=Video%3A+Secret+to+Success&tab=Business

natasha
08-11-2005, 11:08 PM
... how bad was the shampoo two, by kicking the irish girl out??

I thought it was terrible, especially the bit about," oh and we need that two, its the businesses!" like she was going to nick or damage the lap top!!

I think they could have helped her out a bit more, she had special circumstances that they knew about and they should have supported her more especially her friend!!
I didnt realise the other girl had a partner, i swear they introduced them both as single mums??

I really feel for the Irish girl, I'm not a single mum but i know where she's coming from when it comes down to business and kids.

simmons
08-11-2005, 11:13 PM
And the couple having the affair! Anyone who didnt see that coming must be blind!

natasha
08-11-2005, 11:18 PM
Yeah its terrible, that guy seems like a right bloody wimp though!!
His poor wife left at home holding the baby! :rolleyes:

So the diet guys have less politics, maybe they might be on to a winner?

emmalr
09-11-2005, 12:14 AM
I have to say that all three of the businesse dont inspire me or grab my interest. The show seems to be turning into more of a personal drama (which I find I am viewing it for - rather than the business).

Bring on Dragons Den!

luke.d
09-11-2005, 12:18 AM
I think the shampoo product will win, its already selling nationwide in all Tesco's stores within 6 months. Pretty good!

Martin
09-11-2005, 12:18 AM
The diet guys are in the same boat as them two having the affair. I never really believe friendship, relationships or family mix well in business if no one person has ultimate responsibility. (Which is respected by the other)

I did feel for the Irish girl, but ultimately I agree with their decision.

I thought taking the laptop away was appalling, considering her so called position as a director, but, if she didn't know that was a back-handed sacking then she needs matchsticks to keep her eye's open. (Or bless her heart shes just to green to it all)

As said ultimately I don't think she could hack it, not her fault, but she had a kid, lived in another country etc ... Alot was going against her but I did feel her friend let her down and a little more compassion could have been shown.

I'm still not sold on the diet idea, the bed is a niche and so is the baby shampoo... But babies are going to happen, so a market for baby shampoo will exist... Beds tho? Who's that bothered? just those who have a medical reason I feel but I'm sure it will be sold under other benefits.

Martin

afrofunk
09-11-2005, 12:21 AM
god yes, i've been watching this(and been drawn into the drama), i was disgusted in how irish girl was treated, I think the programme my have been edited slightly though, but still, it was awful, what was she meant to do with the baby?, put it in a box!

I was disgusted, but i'm glad it was shown, its nothing that does'nt happen to working mothers in full time jobs.

JamieM
09-11-2005, 12:33 AM
I promise I am a nice guy really but I am going to seem harsh here.

I actually think the Irish Girl was off her head. She did absolutely nothing for 12 weeks or something. I've no idea how she expected to stroll in and be a part of the business after that amount of time. She had to go in my opinion.

I do appreciate that her circumstances were challenging but it is largeley irrelevant. You can either commit to the business or you can't.

It's a horrible situation but I think it was dealt with correctly.

luke.d
09-11-2005, 12:39 AM
I totally agree with you at the end of the day Jamie. She said before she was even picked that she has childcare sorted. I don't think running a business with best friends or family is a great idea anyway.

Belinda
09-11-2005, 12:53 AM
I missed the first part of last week so not entirely up on the situation of the girls until today. I just wonder if Ivan had of offered the room above his Soho office to both of them to share if things would have turned out better for the Irish girl.

Surely she would have been better off finacially and with less stress if she could have left her baby in Ireland with her mum like the other girl did. She could have used the 250pw child care to commute. That's assuming her mum does not work and could have minded her.

I think its very edited so you just don't know the full story.

Interesting viewing though.

Belinda
www.pinkenvy.co.uk

cc123
09-11-2005, 10:52 AM
yeah the girl should have realised what she was getting herself into and dealt with her child problems way before that. The fact that those guys selling the diet programme couldnt even put their business into a definable sentance was very telling. i think will be such a flop.

afrofunk
09-11-2005, 12:16 PM
Im not convinced by the 2 guys and their diet website idea either.
Thres quite a few sites out there like that, e.g e-diets, so are they really likely to corner the market?

I'm not impressed by the site though, i was expecting it to look really good, it does'nt pull me in and looks like all the others. considering its a business online, i think more effort could of been put into it.


http://www.theleanteam.co.uk

cc123
09-11-2005, 01:23 PM
yeah my immediate thoughts were that that maket has been soaked up already. not a lot of room for a new one that doesnt appear to offer anything different.

Cant believe the bed people are having an AFFAIR!!! haha. makes for great viewing - which is exactly why the producers made them go in pairs. Can you imagine if the guys wife didnt know - she does now!

neiliboy
09-11-2005, 01:48 PM
I missed the first episode and really got into it last night - then my sky+ stopped to record somet else just at the bit where the narrator said they were having an affair so i missed the rest!!!!

Also I did have some sympathy for the Irish girl but i do think she had it coming - she was just very unfortunate that she didnt have any support from a husband/partner/parents in terms of looking after the baby - it was a deep shame that left her very bitter towards the other two.

When watching these progs i always bear in mind that the producers have to edit 12 months of work into a few 1 hour slots so we will never hear both sides of the story properly and we always have to remember what makes 'good tv'

All the best

Neil

one2escape
09-11-2005, 02:51 PM
The irish girl had to go. I was actually surprised she lasted till 12 weeks.

RSL
09-11-2005, 03:23 PM
It was all a bit soap opera for me less educational value more for the shock value. I mean for crying out loud...we get images of the "bed" guy with his new born one minute, kissing his wife goodbye and the next we learn that they're having a sordid affair - question is what does it have to do with business...I mean who here doesn't have a few skeletons not to speak of a private life!

The whole Dublin girl fiasco was just cruel. I know business is business but it was just mean to have undercut her like that. Her "friend" had a loving partner willing to take care of her child just outside London...Dublin girl moved countries to make a go of it in a strange new city. A little support would have been nice...is making that first million so serious that you'd mistreat another human being?

The diet team were funny and I guess one learnt a little in terms of selling a product concisely.

Its a fun show but tobe taken with a pinch of salt...we can ll make a million if we really REALLY want to!

JamieM
09-11-2005, 05:17 PM
It was too little too late for the Irish girl. When she finally tried to get her ass in gear the product was ready to launch - and she appeared to have done nothing.

She kept talking about her commitment but even though she moved from Ireland her commitment was actually abysmal. I just felt her attitude was poor, kept going on and on about how this and that but at the end of the day actions speak louder than words and I never seen any of that. If I was her I would have been absolutely mortified and would probably have resigned by week 2. Not because I am a quitter (quite the opposite) but I thought kidding everyone on like she did was very disrespectful, of Ivan in particular.

I really think that girl will deeply regret the way she handled tha opportunity and will eventually look back and cringe with embarassment.

I hope she doesn't let it get to her, I'm sure she can learn from the experience.

carolinem
09-11-2005, 09:36 PM
I think the dark haired girl (Lila?) hit the nail on the head when she said that EVERYONE has commitments and stress in their lives, but they still manage to get on and do their jobs.

I truly feel that the Irish girl's attitude was entirely the reason she was sacked. She used her baby as an excuse, but I can almost guarantee that if it hadn't been the baby, it would have been her family, or her financial situation or something else.

Here's to people with commitment!