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mattley23
01-01-2005, 06:48 PM
Hi,

Does anyone here use firefox as their browser instead of IE?

I have had loads of security problems with IE and keep getting tonnes of adware and undeletable icons installed onto my pc even though im running an adwear detections program, a firewall and a virus application.

Ive heard Firefox recommended but dont know enough to try it out, any feedback would be good.

Matt

barefoot_boo
01-01-2005, 07:03 PM
I use Firefox, its great and I've got no hesitation in recommending it. Why not download it and give it a try? Afterall if you don't take to it you haven't lost anything have you?

swhiting
01-01-2005, 07:58 PM
I love Firefox, tabbed browsing makes thing easy, it seems to be quicker and just generally better to use.

There are plenty of extensions for it also, one which I use all the time "Web Developer" is awesome and makes life much much easier for website visual and backend development and testing!

1nzvestor
01-01-2005, 08:14 PM
Hi Matt

Make the switch, you'll be glad you did.

Some internet banking sites (and national lottery site) don't work on Mozilla/Firefox, but other than that I've had no problems at all.

A smart move......

It also alerts you to many possible threats to your pc as well.

gradpads
01-01-2005, 10:14 PM
You use the national lottery website too? It's dangerous ;)

I used to get the odd ticket, now I've got five a week for the next 6 weeks or something!

toddncl
01-01-2005, 10:14 PM
tabbed browsing is a real treat!

Martin
01-01-2005, 10:59 PM
For sure you should make the switch!

Loads of extensions avaliable to add alsorts of functions.

It's free to download so what have you got to lose?

Eagle
01-01-2005, 11:40 PM
I've never had a single poblem with IE.

Ok, it crashes every now and then but big deal... just reload!

Roll on v7! :D

(Yes, I've tried FF... didn't like it!)

Martin
01-01-2005, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by Eagle
I've never had a single poblem with IE.

Ok, it crashes every now and then but big deal... just reload!

Roll on v7!

(Yes, I've tried FF... didn't like it!)

I think you'll find Microsoft are looking for you!

Thats right they heard there's 1 satisfied IE user out there and they would like to run a news story about you on MSN.co.uk :D


hehe

Eagle
01-01-2005, 11:54 PM
There are probably millions of satisfied users. I've never had a virus or any of the problems mentioned in connection with IE.

Depends on how you admin your PC I guess.

Horses for courses! :)

Martin
02-01-2005, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Eagle
There are probably millions of satisfied users. I've never had a virus or any of the problems mentioned in connection with IE.

Depends on how you admin your PC I guess.

Horses for courses! :)

I think it's more a case of millions of users don't know there's an alternative.

Press blue E looking button and bang the Internet appears in an application snapply called Internet Exployer.

Microsoft really are better at marketing than development

How you administer your PC has no effect on the underlying problems in Internet Exployer.

Eagle
02-01-2005, 12:19 AM
What problems?...

richard.h
02-01-2005, 12:45 AM
I use firefox as my primary browser.

Martin
02-01-2005, 12:47 AM
The biggest problem by far is the intregration of IE into Windows.

This opens up so many possibilities to finding even more vulnerabilitys not just in IE but also the Operating System.

See articles like

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/30/ms_phel_vuln/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/02/ie_iframe_fix/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/18/ie_security_bugs_again/

and there's many more!

Also IE doesn't adhere correctly to the W3.org Standards, and it also introduces proprietary features like ActiveX.

Nearly all the articles above and others have the normal "Surfers using Mozilla Firefox and Opera browsers are not affected."

FireFox ain't prefect, but using IE is like taking a cruise on a ship with leaks... You can keep plugging up the holes but someday you will need to make a new ship.

swhiting
02-01-2005, 12:47 AM
Me too, although I still have IE for backup (and site testing). IE just seems so clunky now I have got used to Firefox.

mattley23
02-01-2005, 10:47 AM
Thanks for all the feedback guys, seems FF gets the majority of thumbs up.

I agree IE does crash alot and I get asooo tired with the 'send or dont send' error box I get all the time. Plus IE seems to leak no end of spyware, adware, allows pop ups and all other annoying things onto my PC, even with a firewall and blockers running!

I=Right im off to get FF, roll on trouble free internet surfing.

Cheers

Matt

Adam
02-01-2005, 12:51 PM
I switched to FF and I think we have had some discussions on it at www.youcangetit.co.uk/forum.

While we have made the forum as correct as possible, there are some things it does to use IE features even though they are not standard.

I am against the way IE and MS generall controls my whole system as I should have the right to choose.

Companies that are large have no excuse for sites that do not work in FF. I think I heard that FF has 3% of the market. Which company would want to give away 3% of their market?

FF has some faults but I do not know which ones are caused by site designers not adhering to standards.

Some people say IE is good as it expands the net by adding new features but there is not selfless interest for MS, they are trying to tie you in.

BEN
02-01-2005, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by mattley23
Thanks for all the feedback guys, seems FF gets the majority of thumbs up.

I agree IE does crash alot and I get asooo tired with the 'send or dont send' error box I get all the time.

Matt,

If your interested, you can turn off error reporting:

Start, settings, control panel, system, click on the advanced tab, then the error reporting tab. Check the top 2 boxes, disable error reporting and but notify me if critical errors occur.

But if you move to FF you wont have a problem anyway!

Ben.

mattley23
02-01-2005, 03:02 PM
Cheers Ben, thats done. 1 more question though if poss and hopefully you can offer me a solution.

My main problems with IE is the fact that it has installed several icons to my desktop, a search now! menu bar and inputted new links into the IE browser 'favouriotes' section that I just cannot get rid of.

I have ran spybot s&d and Lavasofts' adaware program and they do not get rid of them. I have also tried going into my harddrive to try and delete them manually but they dont appear to be there when I search.

Please please offer me some advice on how to get rid of these before I make the switch to FF.

Cheers

Martin
02-01-2005, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by mattley23

Please please offer me some advice on how to get rid of these before I make the switch to FF.


Why you waiting?

Alot of the Malware programs set your homepage (+ other stuff) to a page to which your PC is vulnrable to. When you view this page again it will try to install the **** again so it's always on your PC.

Drop IE ! ... Keep using Spybot and Adaware until their databases are updated to remove your Spyware/Adware.

richard.h
02-01-2005, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Adam
I switched to FF and I think we have had some discussions on it at www.youcangetit.co.uk/forum.


Companies that are large have no excuse for sites that do not work in FF. I think I heard that FF has 3% of the market. Which company would want to give away 3% of their market.


I've read reports that some sites are showing up to 25% firefox users (i'd guess sites that draw tech-literate sophisticated surfers).

I'm considering offering discounts/deals for clients who use Firefox... ;)

mattley23
02-01-2005, 03:36 PM
Well ive took your advice and have Firefox running as my default browser and my first impressions are 'wow this is excellent'.

Took a little tweeking to set it up to my preferences but now I have its really good. Feels just as easy to use as IE but somehow feels slightly safer.

I still have the problems of how to get rid of these 7 unwanted desktop icons which I cant seem to remove so any extra tips would be good.

Matt

Clarebear
02-01-2005, 07:17 PM
I just love Firefox - you can customise it the way you want and tabbed browsing is just amazing. If you then go back to IE, you just get so frustated by it. The only trouble is that some sites like HSBC don't accept it as a browser so you still need it occasionally.

I would recommend it to everyone!

mattley23
02-01-2005, 07:40 PM
Exactly, still cant get rid of these 7 unwanted icons though AGAGAGHAGAHGAHGAHAGHAGHAGHAGHAGHAGHAAHAHGAH

Adam
02-01-2005, 07:42 PM
FF has a default download file. Everything you download goes there and you can then move or delete them.

What happens when you try to delete?

Martin
02-01-2005, 07:56 PM
You can set FireFox to prompt you (Like IE) to pick somewhere to save to.

See. Tools > Options > Downloads

At the top you can change it.

mattley23
02-01-2005, 10:44 PM
Basically these icons were put onto my desktop and even though I can highlight them I cant delete or drag to recycle bin.

Firefox's progs nor IE, Spybot or Lavasofts adaware can get rid of them.

I have even gone into my hardrive to try and locate them myself to delete but they dont show up. It seems to me they are installed into my registry and load up before any of my protection programs kick in.

The icons are as follows:

Travel, casino online, poker, card games, bingo, printer cartridges and website hosting.

Im really stuck

Martin
02-01-2005, 10:58 PM
Hi

Which version of Adaware are you using?

Adaware SE is the only one being updated now as Adaware 6 is no longer supported.

mattley23
03-01-2005, 02:38 PM
Im using Adaware SE and update it every day, still no joy in removing these 7 unwanted advert icons

Martin
03-01-2005, 08:52 PM
Hi Matt

Try this

Download Process Explorer from Sysinternals (http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/procexp.shtml) (or click HERE if running Win NT 2K or XP (http://www.sysinternals.com/files/procexpnt.zip) ) It will show you which file belongs to what process.

From this information you should be able to work out whats keeping them icons on your desktop.

If you download, then run the application. You can then go to File > Save , this will save all the process information to file.

Attach this file here (if you wish) and I'll try help you identify the problem.

All the best

Martin

-(edit)-

Forgot to mention this program (also from Sysinternals) which will show you every program that wants to startup when you boot your pc.

Once again if you run the application and go to File > Save and attach this also, it would help alot in solving your problem.

Download from > http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/autoruns.shtml

Eagle
03-01-2005, 09:05 PM
You could also Ctrl+Alt+Del and view processes in Windows Task Manager.

Alternatively, check your Startup Folder.

or

Start> Run> msconfig.exe> Services or Startup tab... check there, then hunt down the offending programs. :)

Adam
03-01-2005, 09:19 PM
I remembered my problem with FF.

Cookies! Maybe it is a setting but I cannot log out of internet sites properly. Click log out and nothing, I am still logged in even after closing the window.

Some of the "auto login" options on websites also do not work.

ObviouslyI only get on problem or the other.

Martin
03-01-2005, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Eagle
You could also Ctrl+Alt+Del and view processes in Windows Task Manager.

Alternatively, check your Startup Folder.

or

Start> Run> msconfig.exe> Services or Startup tab... check there, then hunt down the offending programs. :)

Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't show you everything, and it's very easy to hide your application from this list if you know how.

It also doesn't show running DLL's

The startup folder is only 1 of the few places an application can launch at boottime.

Also once again msconfig doesn't show you the DLL files being loaded at boottime also.


The SystemIntenals application really is the best for this.

swhiting
03-01-2005, 09:54 PM
http://www.tomcoyote.org/hjt/

HijackThis is an excellent tool for removing spyware that has got onto your system. Be careful what you delete with it though.

mattley23
04-01-2005, 01:15 PM
Cheers guys I seem to have cracked it and they have gone.

Stll cant get over how great Firefox is, thanks for the recommendations.

Adam
04-01-2005, 02:26 PM
I had a huge FireFox crash last night but one of the members on the support forum fixed it within a matter of hours.

FirFox can crash and when it does if you try to reopen it it gets you to create a new profil and loses your old bookmarks and stored passwords etc.

There is a way round this but it is messy (only takes a minute to do when you know it though)

Yours Faithfully
04-01-2005, 09:54 PM
I use both but mainly IE as my primary browser - I only donwloaded FF because I was having problems getting into the YCGI forum - it kept logging me out!!

I don't mind FF but its new to me at the moment and I need to tweak it to work how I want it to!

Martin
04-01-2005, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Yours Faithfully
I don't mind FF but its new to me at the moment and I need to tweak it to work how I want it to!

Yeah, out-of-the-box a new FireFox user may have wondered why they should bother with it...

After-all IE seems the same!

It's not really until you check out the range of Theme's and Extensions that are avaliable from the Mozilla site that you truely wonder how you lived without it. (ok not lived without it lol..but over IE)

To get more Theme's/Extensions click Tools > Theme's/Extensions and on the box that pops up, in the lower right hand corner is a link..... Click that and browse whats avaliable.

Adam
04-01-2005, 10:50 PM
I still have problems with it not always logging me back in automatically or it shows me as logged in but not properly.

Martin
04-01-2005, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Adam
I still have problems with it not always logging me back in automatically or it shows me as logged in but not properly.

Have you tried clearing the cookie cache?

By clearing the cache you will need to log back into ALL sites, but your cookie will be renewed and might fix the problem

See: Tools > Options > Privacy > Cookies

And click Clear.

btw, Do you use any Firewall application like ZoneAlarm? Sometimes these applications will block sites from tracking you. Thus disabling your ability to log in again automatically.

adrianjohnson
04-01-2005, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by Adam
I still have problems with it not always logging me back in automatically or it shows me as logged in but not properly.

It can also depend on the site you're logging in to.

E.G. the PC Plus forum made it so you have to log in each time, no matter what browser you're using. The server won't log you in automatically.

To digress slightly, I'm using Opera (http://www.opera.com )at the moment, and wouldn't mind trying the next version when released. There are a few major changes to it, so I've read! It has tabbed browsing, themes, and some other cool stuff. The ads aren't that intrusive, or you can pay to get rid of them.

Adam
05-01-2005, 11:02 AM
I do use Zone Alarm.

Can't be bothered with that whole cache clearing thing.

Thanks

adrianjohnson
05-01-2005, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Adam
Can't be bothered with that whole cache clearing thing.

No, my wife does mine!

Oh cache - I thought it was cash!