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vernonpurcell
06-08-2010, 07:34 PM
This is a area that is hard to get to grips with, firstly there are a lot of people who can talk the talk, but not walk the walk, and they get away with it, because most people do not fully understand what need to be actually done.
Now we all have website here I would thinks, some are competing, but that should not matter, can everyone get together and maybe do an idiots guide to seo. starting from the begining, step by step instructions on what to do, where to do it. Like where to make blog post, where to submit article, how to social bookmark, and things like this, what ever it takes to get you site up high in google.

I am sure we can get some good imput from this site.

Jarvooo
06-08-2010, 07:41 PM
Interesting topic, the only problem is there isnt a set rule for SEO, what works for some doesnt work for others, what some people make work, others cant do, too many conflicts of opinion and for the web designers etc among us, its losing trade too, giving away something we offer

silklink
06-08-2010, 08:13 PM
Alas Jarvooo is right - if there were a set of rules we would all be doing seo correctly and the seo experts would have to move on to seo v2 or something in order to get their websites higher than ours :)

I like to think of seo as another term for good old fashioned marketing. It is important to address the content and meta-data (data about the document you are reading) in each and every web page, it is then down to how you market that page or set of pages. For most people the most important page on their site is their front / home / index page. I can knock you up a lovely looking front page, but do you know what? The content of that page takes me far longer than any of the development. So once the page is complete, both me and client need to get exposure of that page out on the streets. In the old days (about 5 years ago :) ) they called it copy writing and advertising.

There is loads of stuff on the net about seo and if you care to look you will see similar themes and patterns. Seeing themes and patterns is what it is all about when reviewing the content of the page you want folks to find. You need to determine who your competitors are and look at their websites and words they use. You need to look at the patterns of words and phrases and note them. Then you need to find out popular searches for your products, services etc. and see what words and patterns your competitors are not using. WebCEO has a free version which is great for this sort of thing.

It really is an art and takes a good while to learn. I provide seo services, but I certainly don't know all the tricks. Some people have devoted significantly more time to this than I have

vernonpurcell
07-08-2010, 01:21 PM
There are a set of fundermental rules that will suit most sites
ie blogging comments, and posting
Article submission
Link building,
You will not lose anything if everyone was to bring something to the table
Most of what seo is about is off page, as most onpage can be done in an hour or so, depending on your site
Q: How hard is it to find 40 do follow blogs with a PR6.
A: 1/2 as hard if two of you are trying to find them
More hands make light work
I am already number 2 in google for one of my website, not much to do to get it No 1, but it would have been easier with a little help

uksbd
07-08-2010, 10:56 PM
Here is a little SEO tip

When doing a backlink campaign, have something the other person might like on their site as the backlink.

I recently did an experiment with a little button, by giving people the choice of using a text link or a button to link back.

Not only did it increase my number of backlinks, a high percentage used the option of the button rather than the text link.
More here, Using buttons when link building (http://www.uksmallbusinessdirectory.co.uk/news/?p=1112)

danieljackson
09-08-2010, 01:07 PM
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vernonpurcell
09-08-2010, 07:59 PM
This is what the post was all about some people can talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk, in the seo world.

uksbd
09-08-2010, 08:34 PM
This is what the post was all about some people can talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk, in the seo world.

I think you will find most that can "walk the walk" don't bother trying to talk things up, they let their results do the talking for them.

leightymms
10-08-2010, 10:22 AM
As you have mentioned, there is some great stuff available on the web with regards to SEO. I've had some good results for clients, am just starting to implement for my sites and have picked up some useful pointers on the way:

-The google keywords tool is an invaluable starting point, it is a great way to research which words / phrases are achievable (how competitive they are) and how much traffic could be generated from these

-Use the long tail or 'stemming' - initially target less competitive terms using geography or an attribute to the product / service (e.g. rather than 'shoes' try 'cheap basketball trainers' or 'trainers in Glasgow').

-Onsite optimisation is the first step and can achieve good results with few backlinks for less competitive terms. It is all about consistent of keyword usage throughout the page / tags / titles / descriptions and it is about focus.

-Ensure the website has a sitemap in place (submit this to the engines) and ensure the robot file works correctly

-Backlinks are about 70% of SEO effectiveness. What each search engine is looking for varies considerably but Google, which controls around 90% of search traffic is looking for quality links, quantity is not always as important - so that authorative backlink from the BBC for example could make all the difference.

-There are many techniques to develop backlinks, via social media campaigns, RSS feeds, widgets, podcasts, images, reports and other ‘linkbait’ - be creative

-Try to ensure backlinks are one way (i.e. from their site to yours) and use anchor text e.g. 'fast printing' as the hyperlink, using the keywords, rather than the website URL - this really helps the search engines.

-Having a good RSS feed / blog can do wonders. Keep adding to the content of the website, keep it 'fresh'

-Be careful of 'blackhat' techniques, linking to/from dodgy sites, paying for links, keyword stuffing etc - these can lead to removal of the website from the search engines indexes in the most extreme.

-Avoid duplicate content

-Use Google analytics / webmaster tools to keep ontop of results, test and improve

-Ensure the site is written to convert users once they are with you. Capture ‘opt in’ emails as part of your sales funnel

That is just the tip of the iceberg but hope that it adds to the library of tips you are pulling together.
If anyone wants to chat about their SEO and get a few free pointers, please feel free to contact me by phone/email - details on below websites.

Leigh
Green Marketing (http://www.remarq.co.uk)
small and startup business marketing (http://www.smallbusinessmarketingcommunications.co.uk/)

vernonpurcell
10-08-2010, 01:22 PM
I think you will find most that can "walk the walk" don't bother trying to talk things up, they let their results do the talking for them.

Thats is what I say. Our site went from page 20 no 2 to page 8 no 6 for the keyword leaflet distribution
We still have a lot more to do to get it in the top 5 within 4 weeks

You see a lot of what we have been doing could have been done for at least 3 other sites simultaneously
So we would have had to work less and achieve more.

Kaizen Print
10-08-2010, 02:37 PM
I could write a book on "How not to do SEO" from what I have witnessed over the past year. leightymms has it pretty much nailed there btw on how to do seo.

vernonpurcell
10-08-2010, 07:53 PM
Yes there are so many people taking advantage of people that doe not know about seo of there site, roughly no what do do to get my website up there, but its the time to sit and do it. I was talking to a company once, that did not even have the url correct, then another guy that would try to get me to use much easier keywords, one wanted £750 a month and the other wanted about £200 a month

Now some people say that the domain age plays an important part in ranking, but I got a site to number 2 with a domain that was 4 weeks old

But saying that I do have a domain that must be 12-14 years old, which I am going use for another carpet cleaning company which is www.masterclean.com, I hope they are right on this one, as we are going to put a new site up soon.

vernonpurcell
23-08-2010, 10:11 PM
Now from page 8 to page 4 for leaflet distribution
Page 1 for leaflet drop
Page 1 for leaflet distributor
Lets see if I can get on page 1 for leaflet distribution in 2-3 weeks

vernonpurcell
05-09-2010, 11:11 PM
Like I prommised
Gone from page 4 to page 2 for keyword leaflet distribution
Just by doing box standard seo

wiremanman
18-09-2010, 04:57 AM
I have one question, except linking building, anything needed for SEO?

vernonpurcell
19-09-2010, 09:43 PM
As far as I am aware domain age only plays a big part in ranking - if you have had a website live for the duration of the time you own it with relevant information to its keywords etc. The reason why it plays a big part is you are automatically put higher than newer websites that come out that are in the same field as you are however for this to work you need to have had a site there from day 1. Holding pages such as domain name registered or domain name parked do not justice to your domain name/ranking.

I personal do not agree that an older site get there quicker, but that is only my opion, some seo people say that, but my brother who has 2 sites on page on of google also disagree for key word (mis sold ppi )
No its only on the first renewal, it is now over 18 months old
However I have a domain that is about 13 years old which has no website on it at the moment and only had a site on for a bout 3 years ago.

Im having a site made for this which will be a inexpensive site on for a very competative keyword (carpet cleaning) lets see how fast we can get that to page 10, 5 and then 1

I am currently at 16 in google for leaflet distribution

vernonpurcell
19-09-2010, 09:44 PM
I have one question, except linking building, anything needed for SEO?
On page seo

uksbd
19-09-2010, 10:50 PM
I have an article on my site that ranks no.1 for leaflet distribution tips
Not a competitive phrase, but I do see visiters in my stats looking for leaflet distribution every now and then, if you want to write a similar article I will post it up for you and set a couple of links with it.

vernonpurcell
20-09-2010, 06:00 AM
That would be great, we could exchange articles.

uksbd
22-09-2010, 09:51 PM
That would be great, we could exchange articles.

sure,
PM me with an email address or just have a look at this page,
http://www.uksmallbusinessdirectory.co.uk/news/?page_id=58

If you want to add 3 or 4 articles I will also set you up a guest writers page similar to the ones listed on there if you like.

vernonpurcell
26-09-2010, 04:40 PM
Now were are number 10 on 1st page of Google for the keyword, leaflet distribution.
Now how hard was that, well not that hard at all.

paul stall
26-09-2010, 08:27 PM
I have had same problem getting my head around seo, have been doing it for 2 years, getting there very slowly.

The thing is seo i.e. optmising your website is about 10% of the whole process. The rest, trump card, is inbound links, the number of websites linking to you. This is the hard part finding where to get links, there are numerous ways.

As long as your website pages are clean, w3c although not essential but helps browsers display your site functionality correct. Make sure your keywords are sorted in your title, meta description, keywords tags and scattered on page correctly using tags like bold, h1 at top and beginning and end of page.

Not rocket science this part, any idiot could do it plenty of help on internet, gaining links relevant to your website still not too difficult still long process, though and depends mostly when search engines crawl page with links on it. Most sites have around 300 - 800 to get first page so yh time consuming.

Get links from article submission to say enzine articles website and hope people add it to there sites, forum talk on related industry, directories etc and check where competitors get there links, simple as that really

vernonpurcell
26-09-2010, 09:05 PM
Just got my head around it, to be truthful they do not even need to be related sites, but if they are it may have more weight.

vernonpurcell
20-11-2010, 04:09 PM
Now like I said 3 months on number 1 in google for leaflet distribution and a few other related keywords
Seo people make this sound so complicated

MarcDerby
20-11-2010, 10:47 PM
Well done Vernon, and thank's for the useful forum thread it will help a lot of people out. :)

KoOSK
23-11-2010, 10:44 AM
I personal do not agree that an older site get there quicker, but that is only my opion, some seo people say that, but my brother who has 2 sites on page on of google also disagree for key word (mis sold ppi )
No its only on the first renewal, it is now over 18 months old
However I have a domain that is about 13 years old which has no website on it at the moment and only had a site on for a bout 3 years ago.

Im having a site made for this which will be a inexpensive site on for a very competative keyword (carpet cleaning) lets see how fast we can get that to page 10, 5 and then 1

I am currently at 16 in google for leaflet distribution

No offense but you have got this completely messed up - Its a fact that older domain names naturally have a slightly better chance of ranking higher than new domains - You have answered your problem in your post - you may have a domain name that is 13years old but the fact that it doesnt have a website on it as you have mentioned would mean that it doesnt apear higher.

What I meant was - If you have 2 web development business - 1 domain name was registered 5 years ago the other 6months ago - both have a website attached - the domain name/website put up 5 years ago would naturally rank higher than the newer site.

The fact that you say you have a domain name that is 13 years old kind of baffles me - Domain names didn't really go on sale until 1990s - the first every domain name was registered in 1985 - therefore unless you registered the domain name in 1997 which is possible but kind of unlikely.

If your ranked 16 - this is purely down to your SEO - Can I please ask what the domain name is that you had 13 years ago????

SimonNeuroGames
28-11-2010, 07:15 PM
Back to SEO advice and tips, does anyone have any other good forum suggestions that offer dofollow signature links. I currently use this one and Digital Point but am looking for another two or three to post in regularly with high PR. Thanks.

vernonpurcell
28-11-2010, 07:37 PM
No offense but you have got this completely messed up - Its a fact that older domain names naturally have a slightly better chance of ranking higher than new domains - You have answered your problem in your post - you may have a domain name that is 13years old but the fact that it doesnt have a website on it as you have mentioned would mean that it doesnt apear higher.

What I meant was - If you have 2 web development business - 1 domain name was registered 5 years ago the other 6months ago - both have a website attached - the domain name/website put up 5 years ago would naturally rank higher than the newer site.

The fact that you say you have a domain name that is 13 years old kind of baffles me - Domain names didn't really go on sale until 1990s - the first every domain name was registered in 1985 - therefore unless you registered the domain name in 1997 which is possible but kind of unlikely.

If your ranked 16 - this is purely down to your SEO - Can I please ask what the domain name is that you had 13 years ago????

masterclean.com

vernonpurcell
28-11-2010, 07:52 PM
I just checked the age of masterclean
Results for masterclean.com :
Domain Created on:
August 13 1998
Domain age (approximately):
12 Years, 3 Months, 20 days.

So my domin name is a little younger than google.com
Domain age (approximately):
13 Years, 2 Months, 22 days.

I am now ranked no 1 some days and no 2 other days for keyword leaflet distribution

KoOSK
29-11-2010, 01:16 PM
masterclean.com

I also done checks and yes totally believe that it is 12-13 years old.

However you are wondering why your website isnt ranking highly etc???? - The reason being your website is a Search Engine Nightmare - There are virtaully no SEO techniques implemented so how would you expect it to even get a lookin from search engines let alone a rank???

If you wanted to you could smash virtually all competition due to the age of the domain, the name etc if you had a proper site that was built on SEO techniques.

vernonpurcell
30-11-2010, 01:08 PM
Yes we know that, we had a difficult webdesigner on this one so we used a new domain
www.a-carpetcleaninglondon.com
Just hoping the keyword will be recognised in the domain name
We want this new site to be ranked for the keyword carpet cleaning london

KoOSK
03-12-2010, 09:41 AM
Yes we know that, we had a difficult webdesigner on this one so we used a new domain
www.a-carpetcleaninglondon.com
Just hoping the keyword will be recognised in the domain name
We want this new site to be ranked for the keyword carpet cleaning london

I don't mean to offend by any means - but you used a web designer for this? http://www.a-carpetcleaninglondon.co.uk/?????

Please don't say you paid any more than £100 - £150 for the design if that??? The design could be far far better than that if you paid a reputable company.

Both sites that you have quoted so far need massive attention - they are a Search engine optimisers gold mine :)

vernonpurcell
05-12-2010, 05:19 PM
I don't mean to offend by any means - but you used a web designer for this? http://www.a-carpetcleaninglondon.co.uk/?????

Please don't say you paid any more than £100 - £150 for the design if that??? The design could be far far better than that if you paid a reputable company.

Both sites that you have quoted so far need massive attention - they are a Search engine optimisers gold mine :)

We are going to use the domain www.masterclean.com

vernonpurcell
05-12-2010, 05:22 PM
And it cost £200 + vat

KoOSK
06-12-2010, 01:34 PM
And it cost £200 + vat

Not sure how much you want to invest in this business - But I would recommend re-designing and SEO makeover the entire site for it to make a stand anywhere.

Personally I can help you out with the design if you require - I do not mind designing a full website for £350 + Vat - However SEO/Design of Joomla sites I would be more incline to pass it over to Jarvis Web And Graphics as he widely uses Joomla framework and I don't so he has a lot more experience in designing these templates.

Cheers
Rob